I go to Victoria University too, its fantastic so far but would love to transfer to a University closer to home and closer to where i want to do my grad placements Nursing Student. The only downfall of the Uni, would have to be its location and a lecturer that i have for a particular class is so boring, almost everyone falls asleep within the first ten minutes of the lecture commencing. I have attended two Tafe's prior to attending Uni mature age student and Swinburne would have to be the worse TAFE i have attended.

I felt like i was in highschool all over again, not because the students were young but the delivery of TAFE course content was shocking. I am better suited to University and maybe that is why i felt quite 'dum' at Tafe. I don't like being spoon fed information, i love knowing that its up to me to find appropriate academic materials to format essays etc.

I never had that option in Tafe, i was told what to do and how to do it. It just never worked for me. I went to Campbelltown TAFE to study Cert IV Community Welfare. I loved the course and most of my cohort, as well as the majority of teaching staff.

However I was sick of the rest of us "riding" on the back of the lowest performing members of the cohort. Also with many of the units being just marked as competent or not yet competent, those of us who put in the effort received the same score as those who struggled to were spoon fed. Any Uni that has large 1st year courses full of people just out of high school. Can't hear a thing and half fail anyway. I went to Charles Sturt Uni at Darlinghurst and it was just awful.

For a start, I think I was the only local student in the whole college which was one office floor which housed a uni, private TAFE and language college and the place was just full — everywhere you go there were people.

A severe lack of library facilities. A severe lack of space full stop. Now, keeping in mind that I was the only local student there, the classes for an MBA mind you were rather skewed to the international students with everything over explained and a lot of international examples, rather than local examples.

The course co-ordinator was a great bloke, always helpful — I felt sorry for him because he has been the most helpful course co-ordinator I've had in 5 years of uni. I would not recommend the joint, even for international students. There are much better uni's in Sydney and at a much cheaper price. Despite a promise of three-week turnaround on submission time to return time, the actual experience was waiting eight to twenty weeks to get assignments back.

A high mistake rate in marking multiple choice. I had 31 of answers marked wrong that were actually right. TAFE is essentially high school again classes aren't huge and roll is marked and you will get harassed if an assignment is due. Yea you went to the Sydney study centre. I can attest to this, I went to Bathurst for a while and am ANU now and theres a difference but its not huge. I have never visited UWS so therefore can not comment on the facilities.

But the students on the other hand i have come across have a poor work ethic in general, this is backed up by friends who go to the Parra campus but they assure me its across all 5.

UWS seems to be the party campus but with out the parties. Duke of Sydney writes Does not matter how bad you think the quality of the students are. As long as a hard working student from UWS who has plenty of distinctions he will get government grad roles like any other uni grad. For a start, you'll find that most people who reply to your post will probably have only gone to one or two universities in their life-time, so you will most likely get biased results.

I attended JCU it was great, but I did most of my learning at the University of Hard Knocks, and that was terrible. Considering I've been to 10 different Universities in my life time, I'll have to say the worst is University of Canberra. I'm a current student at UWS. Don't assume anything about one's grades- mine were great and I chose to go there of my own volition. I quite like it. Lecturer and tutor support is fantastic. Very committed and all around charismatic teachers that know what they're talking about.

Yes, there are idiots in every class but I dare you to find a uni where people like that don't exist. I don't rely on a university's assumed reputation to get me anywhere. That's a slacker's attitude. The first university I attended was Southern Cross University Tweed Heads campus. I absolutely hated it. I found the lecturers to be unhelpful, I couldn't seem to make any friends and the campus was literally two buildings! To be fair, I personally wasn't ready for uni when I attended there which added to my hate.

I'm now studying at UWS and personally think it is great. The majority pf lecturers are easy to talk to and supportive, its modern, most of the students are nice and I find the overall study experience to be enjoyable. There is no doubt that there are some idiots around, but they don't make it a bad university. I had the marks to get in to USYD by about 0. Every institution has its downsides.

I found the staff at UWA pretty miserable, especially admin. God forbid you need to ask a question or organise enrolment. My maths lecturer was bizarre, when seeking help he'd simply asked if i was from a private school or public. I say public and he says, you'll do fine. That was the extent of advice Apparently in his world he didn't believe in communicating with students outside of set lectures, and even then he would only communicate by way of whiteboard.

The campus is nice though, and had some awesome lecturers; esp. I never fit in well with the rich family private school crowd though. Murdoch had some seriously crabby old men for lecturers, who didn't understand the concept of being sick with a medical certificate; failed a unit because my absence to a field trip due to being sick was unacceptable. Not much positive I can think of about murdoch Haven't been to Curtin enough to say much about it; except the bar is good: ECU has a shocking reputation; mostly because you will see some of the slackest students imaginable there.

But it's mostly just a small element in lesser faculties, that manages to be particularly annoying. I still can't understand how any students continue so long with a high school mentality at a university. But the teaching staff and facilities are quite good.

Overall it's quite positive, definitely the most convenient campus. I've attended UWS in past and now I currently attend USyd because its closer to home. By far, I enjoyed UWS. UWS lecturers are enthusiastic and passionate about their field and helpful. Of course this depends on industry.

Not everyone who attends university is doing a course where they'll be working for a company. For example, I'll be switching to Social Work, an industry where personal reputation means significantly more than company reputation. Some of them are still in industry as well. Yes at least most of the UWS facilities are in the 21st century. Go to USyd and it still feels like you're stuck in the 19th century.

I can understand some facilities unable to be upgraded due to heritage listing, but come on still having lecturers who refuse to put lectures up online for revision at least. I won't go into the snobby attitudes of many students there, especially those with money behind them.

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I would call it like a stoner campus? Only good thing is it is dead easy to get good marks, if you actually submit ur assignments you should be in the D range, HD range if u try. Too bad most employers recognise it as a terrible uni and bar entry from there anyway. For what its worth I am enjoying my time at JCU Cairns — sure there are aspects I could criticise but I do think that uni is what you make of it.

I've yet to come across a lecturer that will not spend the time to discuss the subject outside of lectures and tutes if needed. I've known people years ago who went UWS and had distinction average. They couldn't even put a sentence together. It's really tafe in disguise.

On the whole, we don't care which uni you attended, as the lesser known universities still have a good representation in the top jobs. I dread the day where we become like the US where you MUST go to the top ranked university for every 20 million people to have good opportunities in later life.

At least for grad school. If you didnt attend the wider ivy league, your chances are also screwed. This system entrenches the social inequality problem they have. Melb uni — thinks students are just cash cows and acts arrogantly even though only a few of its faculties are world class.

I have to say Murdoch, and this is after being to 6 unis Curtin, ECU, Unisa, Murdoch UQ, JCU. Just finished my undergrad at JCU enjoyed it so much now will start masters at UQ. I am currently doing Telecom Engineering.

I have done my first 2 years at UTS and then I transferred to USYD. Here are few things I noticed:. So would you rather train someone who has the benefits of a tertiary education or take someone out of high school?

When I was at UWS, I thought it was a terrible uni. I have since moved to Macquarie and looking back, UWS had much better teachers and facilities. But that is just my view, people may disagree. The social aspects are abysmal. I think alot of the people who are supposed to be organising events don't understand the concepts of 'entertainment', 'people' or 'beer'. The choice of clubs is no better.

This all accumulates in a lack of 'culture', and a seemingly 'all work no play' attitude amongst students. There seems to be no coherent staffing policy and further, staff seem to stagnate in their own little bubbles because they're not updating their skills or going outside their discipline.

These problems probably stem from the 'causal' model of staffing. It manifests in weird ways: That said, there are some outstanding staff present. UNE — Horrible place. Full of fat farm kids, the colleges were run like a piss poor attempt at an American frat house, the blonde bimbo in charge of mine used to flirt with me, even when I was wearing a Tshirt that said I'm gay, get over it, then they gave us a safe sex lecture that was embarassingly bad — the guy could not even say the word gay and the lecturers thought they were gods and goddesses.

They so were not. The woman in charge of the Dept was more concerned with her kids, her research, her friends, her life in general than her job. Did a year of a social work degree there. Worst time of my life. Course content was crap I was a postgradunits were badly organised, overpriced facilities, student body was pretty good, the radio station was fun, the Queer Association disbanded the year I was there, and it was a pretty horrible experience all up.

Finished up doing the same degree at Latrobe. Fantastic experience — totally opposite. I was an external at SCU Assignments submitted in the 4th week of semester not marked until after the exam, lecturers that would "disappear" for weeks at a time in the middle of the semester, If you needed help or had a problem I wouldn't recommend contacting admin I'm currently at UNE, some very minor problems but leaps and bounds ahead of SCU.

The amount of work and depth of the courses compared to SCU is huge. I am studying law at SCU via distance and I have found them to be the best Uni I have ever been too. I have been to the QLD Campus and it is awesome, small but modern and well equipped and they are also building another huge block.

The tutors are wonderful, the students friendly and the work is NOT easy as some people seem to think. The assignments have been handed back very quickly. One of my tutors is going overseas but has told us exactly when he will be checking his emails to give us help and is getting our latest assignments marked before he goes away.

The tutors are very strict but fair. I am also doing a part time distance degree via Murdoch and found them to be good, not as good as SCU though. In order I would put the uni's I have attended:. SCU — By far the lead Macquarie Murdoch pretty much identical to Macquarie Curtin — Oh GOD the HORROR of Curtin.

Most of my tutors are activists for human rights, coal gas mining, victims rights and Aboriginal rights. Maybe this is why people think it is easier and more laid back The human rights rather than corporate focus is why I chose SCU over ANU and I do not regret my decision for a minute. My husband has also studied through Griffith and UNISA in Accounting via distance and says that UNISA is better.

I wasn't sure what I wanted to do after I had finished my science degree no jobs in my field at the time so I tried my hand at Nursing. I thought Melb Uni would be quite good, alas, I was quite wrong Inconsistent marking over courses. It took over a month to get a word essay back to us. Some lecturers didn't use emails, instead relied on word of mouth from other students to pass the message on.

I have attended a mixture of universities both in Australia and the US. Some were research orientated and highly ranked, others were teaching oriented and produced next to nothing.

I always felt like I learned more and was happier at those universities that focused on me and my undergraduate learning experience. In reality,at the undergraduate level they all use basically use the same books and the same test bank. I suppose the benefit of going to a highly ranked university is that you are surrounded by other high achieving people and can network with them in the future. However, I do not believe that they actually impacted positively on my own personal learning because sometimes they can be competitive and unwilling to share or collaborate.

Monash is almost the same The lecturers are arrogant as fxxk. The campus Clayton is the only thing I like about the uni. Swinburne is a much smaller uni However, learning experience is top notch. Lecturers are there to help that's right, they are excited to teach you and are much more approachable.

Their IBL program is what sets them apart from other institutions. If you study a degree like Engineering Swinburne has a good reputation in this area of profession. Don't listen to those elitists who keep telling you how your career is doomed if you graduate from a non-GO8 uni because I can tell you, it's not true.

I spoke to many graduates from Swinburne and most of them found a job not long straight after uni and we're talking about companies like Ericsson, Telstra and Siemens.

On the other hand, a few of my Monash classmates have been working in I. T for many years because they couldn't find a job in Engineering. Worst uni is definitely Monash uni. Also it takes them 6 months to graduate AFTER you get your final semester's results.

Worst uni is definitely Monash. What you expect a special day just for you? Some courses with specialised career paths, eg education will give u approval to work before graduation. Do what I do BOYCOTT the hassle and expense of money-generating graduation ceremonies and just get it sent in the mail.

If you're waiting for a degree on paper, use your FREE paper transcript of your uni history. So, you reckon students from non-Go8 unis are more altruistic and friendly?

No I don't expect a special day for myself. But it shouldn't take 6 — 8 months after final results are released to graduate, other unis have their ceremonies a month or two after final results are released, but Monash takes 6 — 8 months. There are nice people at most universities; even when people can be a bit pretentious Melbourne Uni they're still mostly nice.

Brilliant facilities, nice place and the 3 semesters a year gave you a 1 year head start coming out on everyone else.

But the other students were pretentious aholes and the lecturers were some of the most smug and arrogant people I have ever met. The place just seemed very barren and sterile. Just one big wank of a place and was happy to get out of there, although fishing after lectures was something I missed: I don't go to bond but whenever I've met people that speak like this they turn out to be narcissists.

I've been to Uni of Melbourne [dropped out of a course] and Swinburne. I was going to write a post some days ago, but decided against for fear of misinterpretation. But yeh, I have to agree with you that the learning environment is so much more motivating at Swinburne, than at UoM in my case. But truly, the fallacy in my argument is that it is an anecdote based on only two different courses from two different unis, so take it for its worth.

Alright guys some good replies here, Interesting how some of the so called "top unis" aren't what they are cracked up to be, according to some of you, I will give you my experiences.

I wouldn't say VU is the worst uni, mind you I have only been to one University, but I sometimes see people say that VU is one of the worst unis. Having been there I disagree, It may be one of those low tier unis apparently, but it isn't the best uni either I go to Footscray Park VU, and the facilities I find to be great but overcrowded, can be hard to find parking and find computers to work on, but that is just me.

VU I find has a general slackness in administration and also a slackness with teachers and marking,grading and passing. Luckily I have had no bad experiences with the teachers and marking but I know many of my friends and students who have been affected by this. By slackness in teaching and marking I mean that, for example you think you passed, but you failed and then have to repeat or resubmit, usually by very late notice, and problems with marking criterias.

Just a bit of slackness with teaching and timelines, but that is just what I have seen. At VU you felt like a person, not a number. Support was all around you, and scholarships to go on exchange are plentiful.

They catered for people from lower socio-economic backgrounds. You could see that in some of their pricing and their generosity with scholarships. Lecturers and tutors are not that bad, some of them are actually marvellous and have lectured at top tier before. I think concerning the lecturers and the tutors, the reason why they settled for VU is because they wanted to work with students from lower socio economic backgrounds.

To help boost the working class students to the upper middle class. Student body is absolutely dead. No wonder it costs 5 dollars to join the student union. Student quality fluctuates, you have the gifted, and the people who are not academically inclined in anyway and should of pursued trades. You also have a strong multicultural presence, but I guess that is the same for all universities with campuses in Melbourne. Facilities are good, albeit the library can get crowded even though it is large.

Computers are the shit. Shit as in bad and not good. Student quality was much better in terms of academic achievement. There also exists a strong social life. However, I found students are not as friendly, and some of them preferred to mostly socialise with people who came from the right private High Schools. Facilities are good, however they are over crowded. You could not swing a weasel in the library, not enough room. Lecturers and Tutors are good, however the lectures and tutorials are over crowded, or were overcrowded.

I also have a tingling suspicion that the Lecturers and Tutors are overworked. Monash would be far stronger in human rights. That is a given since their Centre for Human Rights is linked with KU Leuven Institute of Human Rights and visiting academics from The Hague Academy of International law. If you really wanted to focus on human rights, Monash will be the place.

SCU is too small to play on that scale, in terms of funding and networks within human rights focus. Activists, from my experience, may not be the best teachers because of their best quality, passion, hinders very subjective and biased views. Policy planners and think tanks will still be subjective but they will debate, discuss, analyse the problem from all sides.

Granted, BUT I live in the NSW Shoalhaven and because of my husband's job and my son's settled in school not to mention being close to family for emergencies ect I cant actually leave the area to attend campus and while SCU is small it has great ratings for is distance law which it is certainly living up to.

The reputation of the school for me would not really matter as I am aiming for a small local firm to work with rather than the large firms that UniSyd or Melb students apply to.

Besides with two very young children I dont have the time that these firms require from their graduates and again the moving to a city is not an option. I went to Tafe at VU and found it quite good their. Most of the teachers were good and knew their stuff. I was at the sunshine campus and the cafe was pretty crap, but when there's a fish n chip shop, dominos, red rooster, subway and 7eleven across the road.

Then it's easy to spend less on food. I also studied abit at Deakin's Waurn Ponds campus. That was ok, but getting there without a car from Melbourne in a complete pain. Buses don't quite match up to the vline timetable, and the direct bus from Geelong station to the campus is pretty infrequent.

The lecturers at deakin weren't too bad either and there isn't enough computers in the library. My partner found RMIT to be complete shock when doing 2 subjects from 2 different faculties. She was told they were like silo's as they don't really care about what goes on outside. You may like to participate in their open for all type of human rights competitions.

Just for a resume achievement since you appear passionate about it. I make commercial decisions, not emotional decisions. I'd have to say that my experience at ANU has left a lot to be desired: Despite this, the university had done virtually nothing to remedy the situation.

I think this situation was partially compounded by the fact that the student union was disinterested in the situation due to the fact that the people who tend to put themselves forward for election tend to be of the overprivileged minority that have managed to secure a place in a college anyway.

Despite the tutorials being overcrowded, the academics responsible refuse to open more. One even had the audacity to yell at me. I suspect that they think that by being nasty to people they can discourage students from going there, thus liberating more time so that they can complete their honours theses, or sit around drinking coffee and chatting about their kids or whatever people in such jobs do.

USyd - Poor facilities - Lecturers with a lot of experience and knowledge but too busy to help students out - hard to socialise unless you live on campus - few social events - large number of enrolments in courses - few international students - less involved student community Access. Wow from what you described it sure sounded bad.

I heard SCU is quite an experienced distance learning uni but apparently not. As an external Open Uni student did units towards BAppSci IT through RMIT, Swinburne, Monash, and Murdoch. I did my my GradDipEd through SCU Tweed Heads and loved every minute staff were fantastic and typical of SCU sacked the best lecturer just as we completed the course.

Had a friend doing psych at SCU and they had a few compulsory AbEd units — the AbEd unit was so badly run, all the students complained. All institutions have good and bad — it depends on units of study, and the staff as people can vary greatly, also personality clashes can contribute eg I absolutely loathed the head of education at MacqU at the time — I took a dislike to him the moment I laid eyes on him.

I study Externally with them now LLB and find them absolutely fantastic so I think it comes down to personal opinion really I have friends who have done law and didnt seem to mind it, but anyone that I've talked to who has done business generally use any combination of "crap, slow, useless, for idiots, irrelevant, bludge and pointless", I recently attended an accounting function and after talking to some of the partners from local practices SCU isn't taken very seriously at all My husband says the same thing about Griffith Uni and uni SA with his accounting degree, he works 60 hours a week and has his friend over to play video games most nights, does about 5 hours of study a week and is getting D average lol some assignments he gets full marks simply for handing it in!!

I dont study weekends because I have the kids. I am getting a high C to D average and constantly tired as hell. SCU is by no means easy or less demanding that any other law school and the marking is extremely strict so I really cant see where this attitude came from.

It is small yes but by no means lacking- at least for law anyway. It's not fair to the students, especially because they are paying the same amount of money as those who attend the G8 universities, yet are not getting a good quality education. Snobby Uni students thinking a Credit Average Usyd student will get a job over a D average UWS student. Actually in IT, a Usyd grad with a D average and little no experience, won't get a job over a UWS student with a D average and 6 months experience.

I don't know why people think employers instantly obsess over where you study. A degree is a degree and at the end of the day it's what you can do practically. Do you see the irony in the above statement? For that matter what is this point based on? Can you please show me where you got this information or are you just trying to justify why UWS is better than USyd?

He is not saying USYD is better he is saying if a UWS student has more experience and better marks he will prob get the IT job over a USYD student with no experience.

However, across the country the statics show no statistical advantage going to GO8 vs Non-GO8. Griffith University, absolutely shit for anything apart from law and business. I thought Griffith was officially called Griffith Business School? Was originally UQ however travel sucked and got a placement right down the road from Griffith so swapped over.

Don't care over all the fighting between them got my degree and now in marlin 1895 aftermarket parts big world! I know trailing stop loss forex example much. After all the major f belajar forex.com last year and the continuing ones this year, I don't think Griffith specifically Nathan campus deserves to be voted one of the worst universities They are not major assignments but like I said he still gets D average with max 5 hours a week study.

No trolling, no joke. Funny, it must just be the course he is doing, as I go to GU and I don't marks for merely handing something in. I will admit Griffith seems a bit lack lustre. I have no other basis for comparison though. High school teachers told me uni will be harder blah blah, but I find great depression and the stock market crash a lot easier lol.

And i wish you all the best in the strengthening of your superiority complex. I was not discussing social class in this particular thread, I was in fact discussing QUALITY of education, as indicated by marking standards, which tend to be more demanding at the G8 universities, at least according to anecdotal evidence.

When it comes to the topic of socio-economic class and university however, it is generally recognised that those who attend university are from families that are comfortably well off, what some may call 'middle' and 'upper class'.

Hence, the criticism of zero fee university places as 'middle class welfare'. The only valid argument here is that the more crowded your GO8 university is and the more people in your course mean you are going to have to perform better against a wider amount of students to get a scaled good mark.

There is no substantial evidence to indicate assignments are any harder at GO8 vs Non-GO8. Basser steps aren't really much of a problem for me anymore, I sprint up them now no sweat.

One thing UNSW gives you that no other uni does — Ridiculous quad muscles. You demonstrate your performance against a set of pre-determined criteria, not against other students. The number of students has no causes stock market crash 2016 in bangladesh on how well you do because you are not compared with other students.

Similarly, "opinion" does not play a part. A marker earnest money interest bearing to be able to demonstrate to the student, to colleagues, to course coordinators etcwith evidence, why a piece of work is of a particular standard against those same pre-determined criteria.

You demonstrate your performance against a set of pre-determined criteria. Yea you do because that is how exams and assignments are marked according to pre-determined marking criteria.

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Yes they do and in courses heavy in social sciences your conclusions on a 'independent topic' report detailing 'the personal adventure experiences in indoor vs outdoor climbing activities' are totally dependent on the markers knowledge of the activity and the convincing opinion of your arguments. If the person marking it knows world trade centre stockwerke about indoor or outdoor climbing they are most likely going to understand the topic less and produce a lower mark then a lecturer who actually understands the whole adventure experience associated with outdoor recreation.

Markers are not computers which have set answers. In addition, the subjects are not always black and white such as mathematics because social science is all opinion based.

Some aussie uni's use the scaled marking system meaning your mark is on a bell-curve against the other students. In addition, only a predetermined amount of people can get Natwest stockbrokers telephone in a subject.

Nobody is perfect, but VU does have room for improvemnt. My friend's dad is a tutor at VU. I've had people say some pretty derisive things about VU. But I'm not sure if that would influence employers. I doubt it would; unless employers noticed that VU or another universities graduates were generally less competent. The staff can be the most arrogant bunch of stuck up elitist snobs, disrespectful to students and complete lack of support for external students.

I found VU St Albans is the worst, the campus is a hole, ugly and the teachers weren't helpful, especially one who didn't even bother teaching the class and expected the students to know what they were doing. I even completed a case study he gave to the class and submitted forex price pattern indicator him and he didn't even want it, what the hell?

I only spent one week there and left. I had to travel to the Bundoora Campus a few times. It was an interesting experience. They told me during the closing stages of my degree that I was a good chinese astrology stock market then they openly discouraged me from writing a thesis that would benefit my candidacy; and when they rejected me, they couldn't even be bothered informing me.

When I stated that I'd be lodging a complaint, I was told "You have no right to complain just because you didn't get something you obviously don't deserve" that quote is verbatim.

It stuck in my head instantly. In terms of students people are very friendly and demo forex trading contest. Lecturers and tutors are very helpful and approachable not sure what that other guy was saying about them being stuck up The staff here are VERY qualified i. The only complaint I'd have is that it is quite expensive, both in terms of review and ratings about binary options magnet fees and general expenses such as food on campus.

Every time I walk into forex wave pattern toilet, I'm thinking, wtf. Did you also try the many computer labs with PC's and 27" Macs in them. The Waurn Ponds computer labs are the most under utilised rooms at Deakin Geelong. What about the computers in the basement of the library. Was always quiet, computers always avail and generally full of med students.

I found VU St Albans is the worst, the campus is a hole, ugly and the teachers weren't helpul. I studied there, for me it was fine, we had one dud of a teacher if you can even call him that but apart from him everything was ok. Building 10 looks horrible though. The campus I work at, VU Footscray Nicholson, I find to be a shithole lol. Buildings look horrible, inside the buildings don't look too flash either, thank god I don't study there!

In saying that, the new library they have just recently made is great, it s a bit small but the cafeteria looks better too. I think you will find most public toilets will be in horrible coniditon no matter where you go in Melbourne. I'm lucky, I just use the staff toilets as I am a VU staff member or a disabled toilet quickly if it is free, always more cleaner. Nicholson ones are horrible, the VU Foots. Park ones are a bit better lol. I guess some universities aren't as good as they seem, while others are better than what they are made out to be, very interesting!

One does not simply have a student life at VU St Albans. I got offered a spot there, went through my contacts and managed to get switched to Footscray Park. Footscray Nicholson is okay, especially now that they have redone the library and cafeteria areas. The library is a bit larger than comparative small campus libraries at other universities. However, the patrons of that campus, a good amount of them generally leave snail trails of filth behind them. Heck, when you use the keyboards at that campus wear gloves!

Unfortunately I think few universities are really focused on the student and providing a 180 wins binary options call spread educational experience.

Few universities are really accountable to their students. A big problem as well is the lack of flexibility, and the overly theoretical nature of some courses. Note I'm not asking for dumbed down courses, but some tend to follow the same curriculum as the last 40 odd years, and tend not to teach real world skills. Most students are probably not going to go on to do research, but many undergrad courses are designed as if they were. There needs to be a better balance of theoretical foundations, and applied and vocational skills.

Also in a world where knowledge is rapidly changing and career changes are the norm, the focus on a large amount of learning up front is flawed in my opinion.

I think a shorter amount up front, with ongoing continuing education is a better model for some students at least. For example I already have get ya money august alsina feat fab lyrics number of university qualifications.

I'd like to move into some sort of engineering, but doing 3 or 4 years of additional forex brokers for hedge funds is just crazy. I could learn the basics of 1 discipline say geotechnical engineering in a year, and then learn more on the job and through continuing education. Anyway of the ones I attended, University of Auckland is the worst. Old, crowded and dirty campus in the city.

Boring and grouchy old lecturers who care only about their research if they care at all. Disorganized and unsatisfactory curriculum. Also obnoxious support staff. The bad attitude of a lot of lecturers really annoyed me. These days a lot of students have other responsibilities such as work, family and so on.

Sometimes your assignment might be late, yes I can understand there might be a penalty, but to get zero marks is just mean spirited. Best is probably University of Wollongong. Nice campus and not too crowded. City is OK with nice beaches. While courses are far from perfect, they do try and keep them up current exchange rate euro south african rand date. Also mathieu favreau forex I had an issue with my study the head of department was sympathetic and helped me resolve the issue.

Also they were generous with giving me advanced standing based on my other studies. I heard from other students as well that the university did take into account feedback from students. I hope that with increasing competition from low cost alternatives like Coursera, Udacity and other online course providers, in time traditional universities may look to improve their game.

Hokey Pokey writes University of Auckland is the make hawaiian money leis. Unless you already come from a closely related to engineering background, one year of study is not enough to learn the basics of geotechnical engineering.

Diploma of Information Technology. It was horrible and boring and the worst part time jobs from home without investment in mysore of money maker v2.4 free download life when I was there.

I've been to the Footscray Nicholson and I find that campus is better state bank of india forex card rate the St Albans one, at least its located in a somewhat nicer location.

But I'm now at Swinburne Hawthorn and I find it a much nicer campus, I have to travel further but its worth it. I concur to this, went to Griffith Uni for my first degree and only been at UQ since Feb and I've experienced all of that.

Over it and may quit. Can't agree with you more, I mean, I'm doing I. I'm not one of those nerds who hibernates in a dark basement playing Warcraft all day no offense!

Why do I need to do this useless unit? I'd rather do a unit that will help further my education and skills in I. Always carry a bottle of hand sanitizer with you just in case! Most of the time I can't even find a spare computer at the VU Footscray Park campus, maybe it is a blessing in disguise!

Small and why is nasdaq trading halt today, good and approachable lecturers and tutors some times the lecturer is the tutor, and chief examiner who learn your name if you talk to them enough, assignments marked promptly, students don't seem to have a chip on their shoulder.

Buildings and facilities are all new. They even have a room with free foosball and pool tables. Lived 25 minutes away by bus, 10 minutes by car. Yes, I truly had it very easy for the past 3 years. Been to DEAKIN and now at VU Law school — City Queen How does zoominfo make money Campus My perspective and opinion between them:.

VU eduroam is connected, but not available to VU students. Rarely answer emails and openly tell you to not email them or approach them. VU don't permit you to review your exams with lecturers to better yourself understand what you missed, did or didn't do, etc.

VU strategie inwestycyjne forex chomikuj tell students to ask library staff how to use LexisNexis, how to research and look for articles.

VU markers appear not to like you reading beyond prescribed text. No extra marks for extra research. VU teaches you shortcuts, joptionpane.showinputdialog cancel and not to do the right thing very dangerous in any discipline. VU assignments rarely handed back on time to risk assess and correct progress for exams. VU "REFUSE" to mail assignments and leave them in one pile outside tutor's door for students to options trading course in delhi and rumage through and collect.

VU staff tell you you're on your own or go see someone about exams and everything raised in lectures not tutes is examinable. For all those bunnies out there thinking VU is Great It has a fantastic law library, librarians and location. Has a high attrition rate, and I wonder why?!?. VU does have a lot of potential and can be a very well up there with it Uni. Seems to be some sort of handbrake, IR or organisational issues or funding or something, preventing it from allowing it aetna stock buy or sell excel.

Just seems like, talking to staff, VU hasn't quite got its core act together yet. DEAKIN lecturers and tutors encourage discussion funcionamiento mercado forex, answer questions daily and made themselves available till around 9pm each weeknight from two weeks out leading up to assignment due date.

Does this also pareri su professione forex that Deakin lecturers and tutors were similarly unavailable before 1pm each weekday, and probably have no families or personal lives?

Does this also mean that Deakin lecturers and forex trading pivot points were similarly unavailable before 1pm each weekday A PHD student, had tutorials in the mornings I was a part of them and when it was her turn, she was online till 9pm.

It was only two weeks of a semester they were online and those two weeks were shared amongst staff. A lecturer's father died, the lecturer from time to time calforex toronto rates in online from overseas to assist student's.

From the mouth of a Dr at DEAKIN during a discussion we were having about something; "We are always on the look out for talented and dedicated student's and offer them all the assistance we can to achieve higher. Unsurprisingly I believe it is enough if students already have an appropriate scientific background. Most engineering programmes spend the first two years laying down a foundation of maths, physics, computing, chemistry and so forth anyway. For example I have a degree in Maths and Physics I could learn enough for an entry level Geotech position in a year by following a program similar to the following.

Unfortunately the tertiary education system is completely oriented towards people coming from school with no foundation. People who want to change careers are out of luck. A Dr, was there at Uni 9am each morning and when it was his turn online, there till 9pm. I appreciate your response, but I don't see this as sustainable is most university situations. It's very should i buy g8 education shares for a unit, other than greg secker forex training of several hundred students, to see the involvement of more bank of nova scotia online trading a single academic and, in my case, maybe 1 or 2 postgrad students.

I politely believe that 18 hour coverage, while desirable, is a long way off in Australian universities it's a funding thing, and the research pressures from on-high. Personally I'd rather hope that my students make much more progress in the first 4 weeks of a 6 week assignment and be rewarded for itrather than offer extra support in the last 2 weeks.

Reflecting on partially completed work, and possibly redoing it, is far more valuable than devoting extended effort as deadlines approach.

OK, maybe staff had time off elsewhere, I don't really know. I don't know how Deakin Uni dispersed their hours, but I can only write what I saw, what I experienced and and what happened when I was there.

It's very rare for a unit, other than one of several hundred students, to see the involvement of more than a single academic For Forensic Science, we had a retired senior Prosecutor of many many years experience lecture us for a month tr binary options india grade us on an assignment.

We also had the head of Victorian Forensics lecture us on several occasions. Maybe it is rare, maybe it is Deakin's way of producing higher calibre students; I don't know.

But I thought all Uni's were the same or similar I saw lots of support for Deakin students, not just in the last 2 weeks. Perhaps I didn't explain clear enough. When came time for assignments, there was additional support online. Some student's questions were dumb, some were intelligent. Whatever the case, students wanting to engage in additional research, explore other related avenues, or just do the assignment at hand with prescribed text books have clarified their thoughts, ideas or questions, could have it done in a timely manner and in an encouraging environment.

Senior Prosecutor also handed out his email address and said if we had any questions to email him. As you are well aware from being a tutor or lecturer yourself, far too many students leave matters to the last minute.

I am one of them Thanks for your responses; you seem very defensive in your comments, and you certainly don't need to be. I'm glad that you've had such positive experiences in your teaching. No question about that! I'm suggesting that it's something that needs to be dissuaded and, as assessment receives the most attention by students, we can use assessment such as rewards to early progress, and submission of a sequence of drafts as a carrot.

UTS seems to be doing good. I know one of the guys there who assists with the programmes in multiple disciplines of sport. Unfortunately MQ SUCKS for sport. Then I read about this Basser steps and googled it. Pussies for anything physical.

I've been to 2 universities: Murdoch and the University of Melbourne. Currently completing a degree in Murdoch as an external student, and finished my Melbourne degree last year. Exams are hard and theoretical. Campus is decent for a small size university.

Hmm, its a joke that VU still requires students to submit a hard copy paper just to either enroll or change something, stock trade beginners other unis do everything online, what a joke, I mean get with the times already. It was annoying enough when I applied for a course at VU I had to go to the St Albans campus just to submit it, while submitting it online would have been more convenient.

It would be soooooooooo easier! Apparently VU are trying to cut down on "paperwork", one of my lecturers said that yesterday haha! Make the whole enrolment and maybe the subject amendment process online and that will solve some problems, but it may make a few problems too. I think I sound a bit picky but VU is behind with the times in both the admin process, organisation, punctuality and questionable quality of teachers.

Though I have only ever had 2 calforex toronto rates that I put into the "questionable" category at VU, the rest have ranged from good to excellent!

Just seems like VU hasn't quite got its core act together yet. I'm very skeptical about VU, and acknowledge the good with the bad, I mean, the bad can be really, really, horribly bad from what I have seen with VU, but when it is good, it is good: Griffith University is both the best and worst uni I have been to. Because it is the only university I have attended. I've yet to meet a complete a hole. And attractive women at that.

Race, class, background, religion etc. Although, this isn't saying much as most unis are probably like this. I came from a generic, predominately white, upper-middle classish high school. Griffith, get your act together. Build infrastructure so when more then ten people are on your intranet, it doesn't freeze. Seems a bit hard to find rune factory 3 easy money clubs are on offer at the uni, no colleges like at UQ.

I guess you'll find this at any uni. But I thought seeing as G was one of the easier unis to get into generally in QLD, lazy kids wanting a degree would come here. Seriously, seeing like ten people how to make money with a small metal lathe a lecture at the end of semester is a sad thing or maybe that has to do with the lecture and lecturer - Classes dispersed all over campus.

Griffith Y U MAKE ME WALK. I guess that is contradicting my last point haha. Plenty of people from Victoria posting here, makes me think Victoria isn't the best place for a uni student to be!

If an ANU student were to graduate with an International Relations Degree ATAR is 97! Now I want to add more detail to the scenario the ANU student graduated with a credit average, and studied a European language and the UC student graduated with a distinction average and studied Japanese.

Now who do you think would get the pick? The prestigious ANU of the GO8 group or the simple UC student who scored better than him at University. Also, I'm sure it's no secret GO8 Unis mark much harder than universities such as UC and I'm sure DOFAAT are aware of this. I'm sure it's no secret GO8 Unis mark much harder than universities such as Forex pivot point pdf and I'm sure DOFAAT are aware of this.

Well I can't be bothered going back and quoting who ever posted the post i read previously but a few people on this topic have said something along the lines of. Not to mention I personally know people who have been to both UC and ANU and who are currently at both and ANU most certainly mark harder.

Can't really prove much I'm just going off the response of people who have been to such universities. It is not Go8 uni policy to mark harder. If the subject coordinator wants a higher standard from their students they will set harder assignments. However, there is no policy that Go8 is supposed to be harder. As a result, while, for example, accounting might be harder at MQ then UTS. However, you might find that engineering is easier at MQ then at UTS.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I've worked at tDFAT for several years, studied at the University of Canberra and am currently at the Australian National University; more specifically on a funded exchange program at Cambridge atm and will be home soon.

Majority of the graduates in the upper age group have PhD's work from home in pcmc area masters.

You're quite close, I'm actually a year 12 graduate who will commence university at UC next year. I am however in no way disgruntled as my ATAR was more than enough to satisfy the entry criteria for ANU. Oanda forex options fact I chose UC due to comparing comment I read from graduates of both Universities and had a chat with my school 'careers' advisory board.

I most certainly found myself in the GO8 dilemma and well I expect that I will find out if I made the right decision over the next few years. So no I most certainly don't think other Universities are obsolete I simply posed the question too find what the general conses would be, I never posed my opinion but I clearly made a mistake about marking of assessment. Although, it was from word of mouth so you'll have to forgive me mathieu favreau forex. Now in response to the OP, UC is the worst university I've attended, but it's also the best too.

That's probably because it's the only uni I've been to. Though I do have some whinges: I do, however, like the: So I take it studying Law or Politics and International Relations degrees are well suited to the University of Canberra? Do you know of anyone who studied these degrees who would support this statement? Griffith for my Undergrad and ANU for my postgrad. Very little pretentiousness Lecturers at least willing to talk to undergrads Campus was quite compact Good Bar If you knew where the secret computer labs were, you never had to wait to get a computer though I'm not sure if they exist anymore after their restructure.

Their online portal system, in hindsight compared to ANU, is actually fairly decent. Their printing system compared to ANU is perfect and very intuitive. Plenty of parking, if you knew where to go. The food Near complete lack of club life. Although, to be fair, in my later years, the uni seemed to be trying everything to remedy that. The lecturers willing to talk being postgrad helps though Heaps of good public lectures going with guest lecturers from Harvard, Stanfard, etc.

Club life is fairly decent. Classes are excellent Plenty of cafes and bars. Parking Printing and most general IT, is disappointingly bad, compared to griffith accommodation Very prententious, but more so in the students. All in all I definitely enjoyed going to Griffith and ANU has is a good choice too. That being said, if I intend on a PhD after my masters, I may even go back to Griffith, as it does have a fair amount of experts in the area I might go into. I have worked out how to get around that entire campus with the use of only 2 sets of stairs fantastic for my screwed up knee, yes i am one of those mature age students all you youngins hate.

Lecturers and tutors are easy going and readily available. That maybe just the criminology school though. The selection of food, 1 cafe and the commissary that's it, compared to the other campus's we get short changed on food particularly when I want a beer with lunch and have a choice of nothing or the crappy cafe.

Uni admin staff don't have much clue on how to answer questions that they should be able too, if not at least know who to put you in touch with. Arrogant twat of a front counter bloke who basically told me to get lost I wasn't up to their standards when inquiring as to alternate ways to attend their university hence the reason i ended up going to griffith.

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I only ask because I start there on a post-grad IT course on Monday. No idea how it compares to UC though, but there is a massive slanging match between the two uni's in Canberra, it's war out there. I wouldn't be too concerned about wifi. ANU provided 1GB at day last I was there 1. I wouldn't be picking UC or ANU over one another based on which 'marks harder'.

It's all about which degree suits you better, check the outlines, check the lecturers involved, and make an informed decision from there about which you believe will provide you better opportunities to focus on what you want to do and where you want to go.

Murdoch had some seriously crabby old men for lecturers That'll set a feeling of urgency into you. In their, oldies' time, work and delivery of the result was above your personal needs. That's how the a-bomb was created and the man was sent to the Moon. But I've e-mailed UC asking if I could get in contact with a Law and also an IR student in the 2nd or 3rd year so I can ask some questions UC's printers work reasonably well no need for Office Space-style ragesyou need to use your UC1 card, but you have to load it with printer credit separately, you can't use credit from the MasterCard account that's connected to the card.

The computers are alright, but they often complain about software activations. It's a good laugh seeing "this copy of Windows is not legit" upon login every so often. Why did you bump your own dead thread?

Are you after a definitive answer or something? Interested to hear some more replies: Want to hear more about VU, the uni I work and study at. Haha yes it would have been! Not too many VU students on here though I don't think!

University union is non existent. Full of Labor careerists if you want to get involved. Getting involved in things is more about who you know than anything else. People are not very sociable at Footscray Park at least. Lots of students in classes are inept. Help is offered if you know where to find it. Once you get it, it is very good. Lots of lecturers are also tutors. Lots of tutors mark in stupid ways. New facilities at Footscray Park. New facilities can get overcrowded.

Cafeteria at Footscray Park is crap. Library at Footscray Park is never policed by Librarians. People have been known to do homework between the shelves just to have a quiet area. Lack of power points and computers. Internet is the worst I have ever experienced in my life.

Worse than my home and former High School connections. Not much of a student life. No real hidden crannies at Footscray Park. Convenient locations if you are not lazy. You want to know where those jocks went from High School? Next year it will be all online. VU have spent over 20m to shift away from paper based to internet based. Is that for Arts students? Yeah half-half for me most of my electives have this but my core units are both, which not a bad thing.

St Albans campus has better food and more choices. Yeah they either have a few of those student rovers or people who sit behind the desks, admin type people, have only ever seen a few librarians. Yep the computers and internet is dog slow, if you are a student. If you are a staff member of VU, which I am the internet and computer speed is decent.

There is a good spot outside building E level 3 under a shade with chairs, pretty nice and always quiet. Also another spot indoors which is quiet too in building E level 2, I think this place is new. I have only ever been to VU, but some of the females at VU are pretty nice, there are some shockers though, as with all unis I'm sure haha.

JCU Cairns is ok most of the time, but then again haven't been to another uni to compare. I definitely keep hearing good things about the new dentistry stuff they do there, I do B. Bus honours there having completed a B. IT there and the program is fairly lax in terms of actually attending class which is a good thing for honours.

Well it was Notre Dame for me They do not seem to think outside the box much. This is my own opinions with my own bias working though. Who knows, perhaps they can but they just do not show it during class discussions. Well, it proves that not many people enrol in the unit. If a lot of people do the particular unit, it would have more than one tutor who is also the lecturer.

Might be bitter because my marks are falling quicker than Niagara falls at the moment. Lack of vigilance I suppose. Also, they need them to be a wee bit cleaner. I think they found a mouse in building M the other day. Wlak down to Maccas, food tastes better and is cheaper. Probably; or just head down to Footscray. Buy a Hot Dog and can of Dr Pepper. Set you back bucks. St Albans is a perfect example of Canberra. Full of bureaucrats and grandiose ideas. However, it is dead; empty and rundown.

Wonder if the stadium they built there will ever fill up? However some of these migrant students need to learn English, will not have a chance at a job!

They do not bother with me, I do not bother with them. Every one is happy as long as they shut up in the library and keep the infrastructure clean. They really have no excuse for the BS they pull on students regarding internet access. Freaking, mb a month, and they have the gall to say that students at other universities have it worse.

Do they think we are naive? Building E level 2 has been spoilt by the eaters and the squawkers. Just recently I might add. Level 3 is under the process of yapping; gawping and laughing mature aged student invasion. Put the university in debt I think? Either way, they have been upgrading it for around 3 years. Maybe I am too fussy.

Most females at VU, well depends on taste. I prefer my females to be a bit more Either way, I prefer the ones at Deakin. Also, Deakin is quiet. I would nearly kill for quietness at VU. St Albans does not exist. Queen Street Campus is a jewel to behold. Flinders Street Campus is extremely good but small. Also has the best views of all the universities in Melbourne. I haven't noticed this. Yes, I am doing first year science specialisation and some of my fellow students can get annoying.

McDonald's Is just down the street. They need more printing computers. I haven't needed to use the Internet at uni much yet, it is slow though. I have seen some people on the 6th floor of the G building near the labs.

Some aren't so bad. The biggest negative would be the wanky TV and cinema ads ANU have. Feel like even more of a pretentious git every time I see one. I saw one of these ads for the first time the other day and just face palmed.

The ads are just so wanky and pretentious. The specific one I saw was with a girl sitting at a bench going on about how great ANU is and what not. Speaking of uni ads, Griffith and U of Sunshine Coast ads annoy me greatly. Always an onslaught of them around open day season early-mid August then they disappear til around admissions time. University ads can be ignored. You always get the UQ ones too. They're okay for the most part, but the Griffith ones are no worse really.

All universities which use the television industry really fit into the category. Diploma we had to have a meeting there with the Graphic Design Studio there, looked really good.

What do you think of the Footscray Nicholson campus? I have to work there haha and apart from the newly renovated library, learning commons and cafetria, I think it is pretty average to put it nicely!

I attended my undergraduate studies at University of Tasmania. I found the facilities excellent and the quality of teaching is really good. Tasmania also has a low cost of living except the main Utas campus is the most high end suburb in Hobarttherefore, you can live pretty comfortably off a part-time wage whilst you study full-time.

I studied business at U-tas and unfortunately the university is known as having sub-par business schools. I found the quality of education I received was good, however, in certain business schools Utas has 3I found it was too easy to slack off and still receive good marks. Postgraduate study at Utas is apparently of poor quality though. A lot of masters degrees in the science and business schools are only made up of 48 cp 8 units of a 6cp value.

At most universities this would only be considered a graduate diploma. U-Tas also has a friendly, social environment and a great Unibar and a good quality licenced cafe. The main campus is spread out with lots of natural bushland areas and great landscaping and it is located in the nicest and safest part of Tasmania. One of the only problems with Utas is if you are an international student. Tasmania is not a very multi-cultural state in comparison to the rest of the country.

I am now looking to accommodate my business degree with a business informaton systems masters, I will look to do so via distance with a University that is renowned for technical degrees, such as Swinburne.

Facilities are underused and more quite than FP; however, they are generally more filthier. Question is, why the hell did they make the library open planned with a freaking cafeteria? Yes, cafe is on ground and library is on 2nd, but still. That Open Learning Space near the cafeteria, that weird room. I forgot the proper name. It never took too long for it to get dirt all over the place did it not? Totally agree with this. At first its a bit of a status contest but after couple of years of work experience, its the value you bring to the organisation that matters.

I have a friend who changed degree's from my uni to UWS couldnt get into the course my uni. What you need to understand is that unis are about customer satisfaction. In addition, what kind of course did she from from and what did she go into? The process is flawed and a pain, don't understand why it has taken them so long to see the light, is when enrollments will be online apparently!

Do you have a link with this information re: I've found UTas is pretty decent for education, I had an amazing first year programming lecturer who was the nicest and most helpful lecturer I've ever had. On the other hand, I wouldn't recommend it solely because of its location in Tasmania, it's not the most interesting place to live You get the nice campus, albeit small.

VU never had freaking online enrolments, just spent two hours shifting through enrolment paper. I'm interested in people's thoughts about university of Sydney. I've got accepted into a course work Masters degree via Distance Ed.

I'll admit I get frustrated with the Telstra style switchboard. Press 1 for x press 3 etc. You're nutty enough wanting to do a masters via distance ed through USYD. They're in that order the best distance unis in the country. Yeah I'm mad, must be hehehehe. But this was only only uni that offered the course and subject combinations I wanted. Thankfully I'm experienced with DE, having done my second degree primarily through DE.

I heard it was in the pipeline last year, through work I work at VU as well as studyingthe ladies helping out with the enrolment told me when I finished up enrolling, we were having a chat about the process.

However, there are good or bad lecturers in any university in Australia. Sadly say, some of them have no interests of teaching us. They teach because they need to pay their bills. VU, why don't you do your enrollments online? What an absolute pain!! Imagine the cost too. I did a year at Griffith Loganlea. We had cows from the neighbouring farm on campus. If you blinked whilst walking through the campus, you would miss over half the buildings. About its only saving grace was it had a hot chips dispensing machine.

It is amazing they have not followed other institutions' lead re: I know Monash and Melbourne do theirs online Won't deny its small, its a very limited campus tho. My major gripe about griffith will hopefully be fixed as of semester 2 next year and thats their enrollment system.

Missed out on 3 tutes i wanted today because they have everyone log on at once and it slows the system down to the point of being unable to do anything. At least with their new system you have a chance to see what ones are going to be in demand so you can work around it. Please do yourself a favour and don't listen to some of these people. Of course I'm going to get flamed for saying it but the only reason that is the case is that they know it to be true.

You may be lucky enough to be looking at a discipline that doesn't place emphasis on university but if you're studying for professional work — ie. Of course people will tell you they don't, and these people will always either be students at these 'don't' unis or HR consultants who try to appear unbias and give their company a good name when in reality they know it matters to them. University of Sydney may not be as adept as delivering distance education but PLEASE don't do yourself the disservice of completing a lengthy masters with a uni like CSU or UNE when USYD is an option.

And this post above is exactly why I will never go to a GO8 uni, stuck up students who have no clue of the real world. I was last on campus in so its been a while.

I had the same problem with tutes, although IIRC half my tutes were sign on by writing your name on a sheet of paper on the lecturers door. Open Universities Australia might be able to help you finish your course". Thanks Chris for your thoughts. For me it's simply a case of which Uni offers me the course and subject combinations that I want for my specialized future area of work. I would have happily gone through Flinders Uni for the same course as they do have a great reputation in my field, but they are no longer running the course: Yes, I am sure all students who go to a Go8 university are all stuck up and know nothing of the real world.

I am sure this Go8 fanboyism is not simply a Whirlpool phenomenon, but a whole conspiracy against all non Go8 universities. It might if you study law, due to inherent elitism from employers and such. If you study hard no matter where you attend; achieve top marks; gain experience; extra-c's etc, then you should do well.

Afterall, if they are an organisation worth your services, they should have the intelligence to ascertain that 'maybe' such a top student at University level may have had certain problems during year 12 thus their ATAR and subsequent enrolment at a lesser renowned university is a less accurate measure of their "quality": I am scared that employers will snub me and so I will be studying extremely hard to get the high marks, work experience and so forth.

I doubt, however, even with all that I will ever get into one of the better law firms, but I am stigmatising myself as everybody out there seems to say VU law has a trashy reputation.

I'm studying law at Vic Uni next year, WELCOME to VU Law School!! Now called College of Law and Justice as of 1st Jan I am scared that employers will snub me Quite the opposite champ!!! Don't believe everything you read here, most haven't even been to VU but will tell you it's poor with no hope of a good job.

VULS grads are getting some good jobs. Some students are scoring some good internships in city Courts and CBD paralegal jobs. There are a number of firms and Chambers interested in VU students and wanting "networking" nights for next year. ALL year levels have 2 tutes and 2x2 hour lectures every fortnight. Funding was just approved for College of Law and Justice to maintain this teaching model.

The Uni itself has some very good teaching staff, there are a couple of duds, but you get that anywhere. It does have a perception of "poor cousin". Students and staff are very dedicated, work hard and recent Mooting results evidence this is not poor quality Law School.

Law is law, only real difference is the content of each subjects and course structure when compared against other Uni's. WELCOME to VU Law School!! I'm a little confused by this, what do you mean by 2 tutes and 2x2 hour lectures every fortnight?

Do you mean the fact that they have 2 lectures for some of these units every week and 2 tutorials occurring at the same time? Exactly that, each subject has 2 tutorials and 2x2 hour lectures each fortnight Where as at another Uni, every second week will not have a tutorial at all Hang on this confuses me, does that mean that for each unit you will study one topic every fortnight?

Where can I read about this, I am very interested. Quite the opposite champ!!! I'm just used to the 1 Lecture, 1 Tutorial, 1 Topic to study per week routine.

You WANT USYD on your masters. You DON'T want CSU or UNE on your masters. Well for professional business fields you want a masters, which will be recognised by employers overseas who measure you based on world uni rankings and therefore you need to go to USYD, UNSW, UoM, Monash or ANU. However, I can see where having an internationally recognised masters can have its advantages in the business world. This is where your argument falls apart. In the majority disciplines including all the ones you've listed there are the general big employers who will look at most Australian grads regardless of uni and take them on based on their work experience, marks and personality.

However, in any industry you have the very boutique employers who often pay their grads the most but the catch 22 is they often discriminate based on uni for a preference for say UNSW, UTS or Monash grads because say the company bosses went there and they want people from there.

The vast majority of employers who do this are very boutique private industry employers who are the minority graduate employer not the majority employer. They are often surrounded by the general industry employers who take grads from all Aussie unis.

In addition, government employers in the vast majority of cases don't discriminate based on Aussie uni at all due to the huge emphasis in their processes for anti-discrimination. Now the fact that you say "You may be lucky enough to be looking at a discipline that doesn't place emphasis on university but if you're studying for professional work — ie.

Now I don't know why you dragged Engineering into your uni prestige complex because as actual engineers have said the uni you went to matters from employer to employer and most of these employers know what each uni specialises in; so for example engineering companies look for RMIT grads because RMIT might specialise in Hydrology and Swinburne something else. They either take grads from all disciplines or they take grads from unis they know train grads who specialise in particular fields better than other unis like RMITs hydrology education being better than UoM.

Some examples and yes there are plenty more expressing similar viewpoints whrl. All unis specialise in different areas and they often try to produce grads, which specialise in the areas their faculty's academics research backgrounds are based in. I don't know why you use the term "don't" uni. All unis specialise in different areas and most non-boutique employers in the majority of industries including professional work won't care and they'll take you on your work experience, marks and personality.

The boutique ones might, for example, only take JCU grads because they look out for grads who studied at a world renowned Marine Biology uni and the same goes for RMIT engineering students who, for example, majored in Hydrology. In addition, don't go telling any NSW police officer you don't think CSU is any good. In addition, many Victorian and other states police officers do studies through CSU.

HR consultants who try to appear unbias and give their company a good name when in reality they know it matters to them. Well if you want a masters for a field like professional work to work overseas or with the very boutique industry Australian minor employers then I say you should do this. Attended VU, academic was excellent but hard to get HDs but too easy to pass. The administration was horrendous no knows anything and the people who make decisions are usually not around.

Also went to UTAS excellent in admin and course work. They get excellent pay at VU as well. By excellent, I mean excellent. However; to get these jobs, well. It seems to be run like a corporation. The staff you cant do anything for you all they do is fill out forms for u.

Management then approves it but u never management. If ur enquiry doesnt fit the tab in their computer then its a big runaround for u. UTAS, a sub dean is thereand pretty much solve all ur admin queries on the spot. Nothing has changed in the past 20 years at VU. Well, that is what you perceive when you use the library, walk through the corridors while looking at the posters locked inside glass cabinets, and utilise administration services. Actually with library services, make that 6 years, not Sadly, I do not see the staff wanting to change it at all.

Flinders st is excellent. Vu has great online resource acceda, u could do a phd without leaving the computer. Well, it is a small campus.

Practically it is only in one building, the former Births and Deaths Registry Office. However; you have everything you need to an adequately high standard. Location is perfectly situated for law. My biggest beef with the campus is that it has no trees or anything, only a small courtyard.

Practically it is only in one building, the former Deaths and Births Registry Office. I am worried about this issue where VU does everything by paper. Of course I have to go down there next week to accept my course enrollment and that will be done on paper.

But then there's things like being allocated into units and tutorials, as well as applying for credits. Is all that done by paper? But then there's things like being allocated into units and tutorials. You will all be given forms to fill out, then will probably be taken to a lecture theatre to fill out the forms with the help of academics and administration. Then you will go in a line to hand the forms in. Which campus are your enrolments based at? The offer letter is telling me to go down to Flinders Street campus to accept the enrollment, so I am assuming that I will have to do all my enrollments there.

Sounds like a pain in the ass. With Monash it was a simple matter of going online and clicking on the units you wanted to do, then selecting tutorial preferences. Level 15 is the library if you are interested and want a quick sneak. They also have conference rooms at that campus, see if any are on and steal a few champs courtesy of whatever function. Albeit, enrolment was worse last year. This year they have some of the papers automated or some crap. Also, I am not sure but some of your academics, and maybe a unit or two will be based at Footscray Park.

Exact same for Deakin also If enrolled into VU Queen St Law School, no subjects are done at Footscray Park. Eck, I hope not. Don't get me started on getting to exams as well. All of this makes me feel like I have been on a gravy train for the past three years sorting out my enrollment online, traveling 20 minutes to uni by bus, and strolling down to Caulfield Racecourse on a simple train ride on exam days.

There is no such "the worst Uni", and the only factor that counts is "you", such as that how you plan, how you behave and how you act. Yes; but you can't rule out a whole uni as bad based on bad tutors or lecturers for a particular course. There probably are many other faculties in the uni, which have great tutors and lecturers.

The admin issue well; once you get passed the bodgie admin you can find some great tutors and lecturers working there.

Currently waiting for a reply from my course coordinator regarding subject selection and credit from TAFE. And I work at VU too! In the department I work in we have nothing to do with the admin or learning department though: Who all hated Israel and Jews with a passion. I got yelled at, had stuff thrown at me, and called names, I got called a apartheid supporter, all that stuff. I dropped out after failing 4 out of 7 subjects in Second Year, went to work for 2 years, and went back to Uni in Got into Deakin, never looked back.

It's a real shame socialism, communism and marxism aren't seen as demons today as they were a few decades ago. These damn socialist hipster bastards and so called "leftist academics" need to be sent to the poor side of China ASAP to see what the wonders of communism can do for you. But no, they would rather sip their mocha lattes and bag the system that gives them the freedom to do so from their armchairs.

Not to turn this into a political debate; but I'd assume most academics would also be aware the China is far more capitalist currently than communist. Capitalist for the privileged few, harsh communist tactics for the vast vast majority of society left in the dirt. It is the very definition of irony. A pseudo-communist system that is designed to keep the privileged few in power and wealth and the rest in the dirt.

I call that super capitalism, something Karl Marx, Lenin, Mao and all fundamental communists created their doctrines to fight against. Regardless of their political beliefs, they shouldn't be taking their anger out on you, especially since they were meant to be serving you, as a paying customer, in a professional capacity.